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Re: Bill and Hillary - Brazen Liars (none / 0)

Obama lied on TV last night -

"I only worked with him for 5 hours, and it was in connection with a church group"


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:39:34 PM EST

The Clintons are lying this time (none / 0)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/01/obama-v-clinton.html


by Lawdawg on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:50:01 PM EST
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Why do Obamaut think regurgitatin this helps Obama (none / 0)

Of course the Clinton's overstated what he said. It's happening all the time in Politics. But what does he expect. It isn't very good tactics to appear to be dissing the only two term democratic president and talking up a Republican one that represents all that Democrats don't like. The even bigger mystery is why his supporters think endlessly going over the small print of this dispute is any way helpful to Obama. Guys shut up, this don't help him with Democrats.        


by ottovbvs on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:13:05 PM EST
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Re: Why do Obamaut think regurgitatin (none / 0)

Nice discourse. I guess I am a nut for supporting Obama and proving that the Clintons are liars. The real damage being done by you and others on this site is being so utterly dismissive and damning of and to Obama supporters. I doubt many of them will stomach voting for Clinton, if she gets the nomination. It is sad. By the way, your advice is classic Clinton, "we will lie and say anything, but don't respond because then you will be in the muck with us and that is how we win." Disgusting. Last thing, proofread your comments. Not doing so makes you look ignorant (which I am sure you are not).


by Lawdawg on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:23:06 PM EST
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Lawdawg not a nut just not very streetsmart. (2.00 / 1)

Firstly the emotionally overheated language, then the personal attacks (always the recourse of those losing the argument), then the exaggerated claims about what Democratic voters may or may not do, then the mis characterisation of what I said, and finally worst of all a critique of my typing skills. Lawdawg you need to grow up little and recognize politics aint beanbag, and insulting people is rather bad manners. It's probably true I'm dismissive of naivete and over emotionalism but then with examples like you I can perhaps be forgiven.  


by ottovbvs on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:36:58 PM EST
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Re: Bill and Hillary - Brazen Liars (none / 0)

Evidence?

Obama said he did 5 billable hours of legal work on created the LLC between the Church-based, non- profit and Rezko's company. I am not aware of any evidence that contradicts Obama's statement.


by upper left on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:21:34 PM EST
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Re: Bill and Hillary - Brazen Liars (2.00 / 1)

How about the fact that, according to the AP as well as other various sources like newspapers in Obama's hometown, talk of a personal and business relationship going back 16 years?!?!?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwwA8 26vvaIucJQacWaLasENCiVwD8UB3IQG0

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/18 4540,122306obama.article

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/12 4171,CST-NWS-obama05.article


by americanincanada on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:33:50 PM EST
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Is this any different than Hsu and the Clintons? I don't mean to minimize it, but I am not sure the Clintons want to get into a discussion about shady fundraisers.


by Lawdawg on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:43:17 PM EST
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Re: Bill and Hillary - Brazen Liars (none / 0)

except they returned all the money raised by Hsu - whereas Obama hasnt


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:58:39 PM EST
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Yes he has.  There are questions of interpretation about what money was associated with "Rezko's circle."  The Sun and Tribune reporters give no indication of their methodology for their calculations.


by upper left on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:06:34 PM EST
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He was talking about his legal work for Rezko.  

That is the allegation that Clinton made, that he was doing legal work for a slumlord.  He answered her question about the legal work he had done for Rezko.

No one is denying that he knew Rezko.


by upper left on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:04:52 PM EST
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Well, I'm not familiar with Illinois' code of professional responsibility, but if they are anything like NY's (or anywhere else for that matter) I am pretty sure a lot of his other dealings (especially with purchasing a house) constitute some sort of "legal work"


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by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:30:23 PM EST
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This is a repost of another comment I made in another thread:

"Obama bought the house on the basis of the advance from his book.  He did not have the money to buy the house and the lot.  

He probably approached Rezko, or perhaps Rezko heard of the situation and approached him.  Obama bought the house and paid 300k under the asking price.  Mrs. Rezko bought the lot at full price.  If Obama got a sweetheart deal because of the Rezko's actions, then he should be criticized.  

My point is that I have seen no evidence that he paid less than fair market value.  I am sure that an appraisal must have been done at the time of the sale or that even now, comparable sales at the time could be used to evaluate whether he paid a fair market value. If he did not receive a "quo" and did not offer a "quid," where is the wrong doing?

I agree that it does not look good and that the Repubs will try to exploit it, but it is not as if HRC is as clean as the driven snow.  It seems to me, we should be talking about relative vulnerability.

Regarding the five hours, Hillary's attack specifically raised the issue of him doing legal work for his "slumlord contributor."  Obama's reply specifically addressed the issue of how much legal work he had done for Rezko.  

If any one has been overreaching, it is the Clintons with their efforts to distort Obama's record on the war, and his comments on Reagan and the Repubs.  Do you think you are applying your standard evenly?"


by upper left on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:43:44 PM EST
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